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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@john flammic

sorry to disillusion you, but space cannot be related to as a &quot;jelly&quot;. this shows extreme 2 dimensional thinking. space is, just as @bill says, like air. it is full of stuff, and is 3d. there is an up, down, left right, up/left, up/right, down/left, own right, etc. the position is relative to you, and your state in the space around you, but it is sill the same as that on earth. theories are not generally based on fact. they are based on what we percieve to be fact. what we se is not always what is there, however. what appears to us to be a black hole, may in fact be a simple trick of observation. the fact that we think it is what we say it is, simply reminds me that we need to remember that the beginning of wisdom is to say &quot;I do not know&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@john flammic</p>
<p>sorry to disillusion you, but space cannot be related to as a &#8220;jelly&#8221;. this shows extreme 2 dimensional thinking. space is, just as @bill says, like air. it is full of stuff, and is 3d. there is an up, down, left right, up/left, up/right, down/left, own right, etc. the position is relative to you, and your state in the space around you, but it is sill the same as that on earth. theories are not generally based on fact. they are based on what we percieve to be fact. what we se is not always what is there, however. what appears to us to be a black hole, may in fact be a simple trick of observation. the fact that we think it is what we say it is, simply reminds me that we need to remember that the beginning of wisdom is to say &#8220;I do not know&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Flammic</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Flammic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too agree that Time doesn&#039;t physically exist.

Personally, I&#039;ve always thought that energy doesn&#039;t exist either... It&#039;s just kinda abstract. As a little kid I believed energy = something moves.

Maybe the universe, even empty space IS filled with something. I&#039;ve always imagined empty space as a jelly; and a wave, for example a photon, as a disturbance in that jelly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too agree that Time doesn&#8217;t physically exist.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve always thought that energy doesn&#8217;t exist either&#8230; It&#8217;s just kinda abstract. As a little kid I believed energy = something moves.</p>
<p>Maybe the universe, even empty space IS filled with something. I&#8217;ve always imagined empty space as a jelly; and a wave, for example a photon, as a disturbance in that jelly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I believe everything is energy, there are no &quot;particles&quot; Empty space is not empty, physicists generally agree on this. It is full of energy just like the atmosphere is full of air. Light is just one wavelength of energy that can only be transferred at it&#039;s given speed. Scientist seem to have discovered &quot;particles&quot; wavelengths that can be transferred at a faster speed, I seem to remember experiments where the transfer seemed to be instantaneous. A black hole may be a gravity giant (to go back to Newtonian theory) where energy is being sucked in (possibly because of the lack of energy that the universes energy pushes to replace, therefore no transfer of light or anything else can be transferred out. This does not require the existence of a &quot;warped&quot; space. Just a gravity energy, again with kudos to Newton. Then why can&#039;t light travel faster than it&#039;s given speed when ejected by a moving object, because it can only be transferred at its given speed.In difference to Einsteins relativity theory, Time is a man made concept that takes energy to measure. Speed, moving energy &quot;particles&quot; faster effects the existence of the energy thus affecting our perception and measurement of time. Time doesn&#039;t exist, there is only right now. To say 3D space warping is beyond explanation or comprehension is very unscientific and resembles religious faith. This &quot;theory&quot; is based on space being empty. New scientific discoveries are beginning to shoot it down. How about the &quot;theory&quot; where everything exists on a 2 dimensional plane and the 3d universe we perceive is just a &quot;hologram&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I believe everything is energy, there are no &#8220;particles&#8221; Empty space is not empty, physicists generally agree on this. It is full of energy just like the atmosphere is full of air. Light is just one wavelength of energy that can only be transferred at it&#8217;s given speed. Scientist seem to have discovered &#8220;particles&#8221; wavelengths that can be transferred at a faster speed, I seem to remember experiments where the transfer seemed to be instantaneous. A black hole may be a gravity giant (to go back to Newtonian theory) where energy is being sucked in (possibly because of the lack of energy that the universes energy pushes to replace, therefore no transfer of light or anything else can be transferred out. This does not require the existence of a &#8220;warped&#8221; space. Just a gravity energy, again with kudos to Newton. Then why can&#8217;t light travel faster than it&#8217;s given speed when ejected by a moving object, because it can only be transferred at its given speed.In difference to Einsteins relativity theory, Time is a man made concept that takes energy to measure. Speed, moving energy &#8220;particles&#8221; faster effects the existence of the energy thus affecting our perception and measurement of time. Time doesn&#8217;t exist, there is only right now. To say 3D space warping is beyond explanation or comprehension is very unscientific and resembles religious faith. This &#8220;theory&#8221; is based on space being empty. New scientific discoveries are beginning to shoot it down. How about the &#8220;theory&#8221; where everything exists on a 2 dimensional plane and the 3d universe we perceive is just a &#8220;hologram&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I guess everything has changed since scientists have found particles that travel faster than the speed of light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess everything has changed since scientists have found particles that travel faster than the speed of light.</p>
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		<title>By: Guðmundur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guðmundur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the space-time curvature to be infinite wouldn&#039;t the density of the black hole have to be infinite to. And for the black hole to  be infinitely dense wouldn&#039;t have had to have swallowed the whole universe? or more?

My question is it possible that light only travels a very long distance into a space curve that we cant see into but will eventually emerge out the same way it went in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the space-time curvature to be infinite wouldn&#8217;t the density of the black hole have to be infinite to. And for the black hole to  be infinitely dense wouldn&#8217;t have had to have swallowed the whole universe? or more?</p>
<p>My question is it possible that light only travels a very long distance into a space curve that we cant see into but will eventually emerge out the same way it went in?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bigelow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bigelow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

At the center of a black hole there is zero size and infinite density. The laws of physics are inadequate to describe these conditions, so the question of what kind of particles can exist there cannot be answered at this time.

We cannot accurately picture space-time curvature in more than two dimensions. That is the reason one or two dimensional representations are used. However, even though we cannot picture space-time curvature in three or more dimensions, there are mathematical representations that can accurately model it.

The event horizon of a black hole is a boundary surrounding the black hole. Inside this boundary space-time curves back in on itself, so that anything inside the boundary cannot escape, including light. So, space-time curvature inside the event horizon is not the same as that surrounding Earth and Moon. Also, black holes cannot “explode”.

Here is a very succinct statement from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/safety-en.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LHC website&lt;/a&gt;. “According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is impossible for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC.”
The “black hole” image in the article is a computer simulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>At the center of a black hole there is zero size and infinite density. The laws of physics are inadequate to describe these conditions, so the question of what kind of particles can exist there cannot be answered at this time.</p>
<p>We cannot accurately picture space-time curvature in more than two dimensions. That is the reason one or two dimensional representations are used. However, even though we cannot picture space-time curvature in three or more dimensions, there are mathematical representations that can accurately model it.</p>
<p>The event horizon of a black hole is a boundary surrounding the black hole. Inside this boundary space-time curves back in on itself, so that anything inside the boundary cannot escape, including light. So, space-time curvature inside the event horizon is not the same as that surrounding Earth and Moon. Also, black holes cannot “explode”.</p>
<p>Here is a very succinct statement from the <a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/safety-en.html" rel="nofollow">LHC website</a>. “According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is impossible for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC.”<br />
The “black hole” image in the article is a computer simulation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Flammic</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Flammic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, forgot one thing. What&#039;s Event Horizon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, forgot one thing. What&#8217;s Event Horizon?</p>
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		<title>By: John Flammic</title>
		<link>http://www.clarkplanetarium.com/blog/cosmic-quiz-why-cant-light-escape-a-black-hole/comment-page-1#comment-7133</link>
		<dc:creator>John Flammic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting article indeed! I&#039;m really into this stuff. Tho I have some questions :P  :

What exact particles exist in the black hole? It&#039;s denser than quark-gluon plasma. What exactly is denser?

I&#039;m still trying to figure out how exactly objects bend space. It&#039;s all pretty simple in 1D universe but I can&#039;t picture our 3D space being bent. Basically the object moves into the 4th dimension (like that orange ball moves down, into 2D), dragging the space around it?

So light goes inside a black hole and just goes round and round there. Is this space bending the same like for example the Moon circling Earth?

Can a black hole get &#039;&#039;unleashed&#039;&#039;? Like there will be a big explosion pretty much like a big bang when it gets big enough?

There was some talking that the LHC can create a black hole. Bullpoop I say. Earth itself doesn&#039;t have enough mass for a black hole, right?

Is that black hole image real?

Thank you for your time! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting article indeed! I&#8217;m really into this stuff. Tho I have some questions <img src='http://www.clarkplanetarium.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   :</p>
<p>What exact particles exist in the black hole? It&#8217;s denser than quark-gluon plasma. What exactly is denser?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out how exactly objects bend space. It&#8217;s all pretty simple in 1D universe but I can&#8217;t picture our 3D space being bent. Basically the object moves into the 4th dimension (like that orange ball moves down, into 2D), dragging the space around it?</p>
<p>So light goes inside a black hole and just goes round and round there. Is this space bending the same like for example the Moon circling Earth?</p>
<p>Can a black hole get &#8221;unleashed&#8221;? Like there will be a big explosion pretty much like a big bang when it gets big enough?</p>
<p>There was some talking that the LHC can create a black hole. Bullpoop I say. Earth itself doesn&#8217;t have enough mass for a black hole, right?</p>
<p>Is that black hole image real?</p>
<p>Thank you for your time! <img src='http://www.clarkplanetarium.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris cline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris cline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for the answers. Its nice to have a site where I can ask such questions without having somebody look at me like I just spoke another language! I look forward to more cosmic quiz questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for the answers. Its nice to have a site where I can ask such questions without having somebody look at me like I just spoke another language! I look forward to more cosmic quiz questions!</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, the &quot;very very very very dense&quot; matter you&#039;re describing is the material often referred to as &quot;neutronium&quot; - which is the degenerate neutron corpse of certain high-mass stars that have undergone a supernova explosion as they die.

Even a neutron star has limits to how massive it can get, and somewhere above 4 or 5 times the mass of our Sun a neutron star&#039;s gravity is so powerful that the star itself must collapse into a zero-dimensional singularity that we know as a Black Hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, the &#8220;very very very very dense&#8221; matter you&#8217;re describing is the material often referred to as &#8220;neutronium&#8221; &#8211; which is the degenerate neutron corpse of certain high-mass stars that have undergone a supernova explosion as they die.</p>
<p>Even a neutron star has limits to how massive it can get, and somewhere above 4 or 5 times the mass of our Sun a neutron star&#8217;s gravity is so powerful that the star itself must collapse into a zero-dimensional singularity that we know as a Black Hole.</p>
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